message on Rsov i've noticed today:
Important notice to U.K. customers :
(Customers in areas outside of U.K. will NOT be affected)Due to the unclear situations of the new airsoft regulations beginning from October 01, 2007 in U.K. We will STOP proceeding orders made after September 15, 2007 which has to be shipped to U.K. containing ' completed airsoft guns or replicas ' to avoid any argument with customers under the VCR bill.
All paid orders via http://www.rsov.com shopping system after September 15, 2007 containing completed airsoft guns or replicas shipping to U.K. will be fully refunded and orders will be automatically canceled.
Shipping of airsoft accessories or tactical gears to U.K. will not be affected.
We may start shipping airsoft guns and replicas to U.K. again when the situations is cleared.Thanks a lot and we are sorry for any inconvenience cause.
Yours
keith
http://www.rsov.com
Link Here: http://www.rsov.com/product_info.php?pr ... 220f83175c
Yeah DM, i saw that earlier - i should have posted it eek
15th FOLKS !! D-DAY
Thanks for the tip off chaps. Have recently placed an order with both RSOV and WGC - am waiting to see if delivery results in any problems. By rights, it shouldn't, but who knows - I'm expecting some sort of minor hold up at the very least, and maybe some sort of import duty/taxation - 
Has anyone thought of setting up a club?
It would be very easy to do, very cheap to sort out registration and ID cards and register with the airsoft.org people.
If any of the gaffers want to talk about this, PM me AS I'm happy to help and have some thoughts to offer.
Has anyone thought of setting up a club?
It would be very easy to do, very cheap to sort out registration and ID cards and register with the airsoft.org people.
If any of the gaffers want to talk about this, PM me AS I'm happy to help and have some thoughts to offer.
YES
to qualify as a reenactor you'll need PLI, and then will that be recognised by A/s shops ? to qualify as an airsofter at the moment you need ot go through a site registration system .
RSOV now have a notice sayng that they will cease taking UK orders (for 'complete guns') on 15/9/07, Airsot Scotland say that you will need to be registered with a UKARA site and on their database and Airsoft Armoury has a '... days and counting' ticker.
I guess the 'Scot website is reassuring in that it states what you need to do in order to buy a gun 
but it looks like the days of cheapies from RSOV are limited!
RSOV now have a notice sayng that they will cease taking UK orders (for 'complete guns') on 15/9/07, Airsot Scotland say that you will need to be registered with a UKARA site and on their database and Airsoft Armoury has a '... days and counting' ticker.
I guess the 'Scot website is reassuring in that it states what you need to do in order to buy a gun
Perhaps a little optimistic of me (a rare occurance) but surely it could be possible for RSOV to write something on the box instructing customs that the recipient is a airsoft skirmisher and which site to contact?
RSOV could indeed provide information on the package - whether HMRC would take any notice is a different matter. I imagine they won't be arsed or have time to ring round airsoft sites and in any case surely a yes or no from some bloke on the end of the phone won't be acceptable to them.
Fact is we have no idea what their approach will be in the absence of an approved accessible national database. How proactive will they be? Will they impound everything and contact importer for documentary evidence before being released? What exactly is the proof they need? It's going to be awhile before the issue becomes clear...
Seems like there is going to be a grey area for a while until it sorts itself out, or some governing body is attached to stipulating the legislation when the time comes. Best to just sit tight and see what the brass say, hold off buying anything until laws are written in black and white, therefore no confusion, and no waiting for undisclosed amounts of time should HRM customs impound the goods.
I've been looking over all the info i can find on the VCR, and how UKARA and the UKASGB are dealing with things. And i've come to some conclusions.
1: UKARA AINT going to help those who want to bring in a personal import. It's not in their interests. Why help someone who will be cutting into your profit?
2: The power still lies with the UKASGB, and other "proper" Airsoft sites, they are the ones who are telling UKARA that a player is an "airsoft skirmisher"
3: Prices WILL go up in the UK. For the following reasons: They lose a HUGE amount of revenue from those who buy Airsoft guns as collectors, or on a whim - so they got to make it up elsewhere. Thats business, as they say!
When we were a Kingdom it was run by a King
When we were an Empire it was run by an Empress
Now we're a country we're run by a..........
I would pay a bit more if meant getting 1 when the other option is not at all!
What bothers me is how the heck are we supposed to buy things in the mean time while they decide who we register with so people can check we actually play etc
Theres a 3rd option, ill PM you 
Steve.D
I copied this from a post on ASCUK;
Imitation firearms which are to be regarded as unrealistic for a real firearm
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Least if my mags where bright red I would find them easier when I drop them, I wonder if they will ban black spray paint next so people wont be able spray grafiti or paint the new bright painted guns & make them into RIFs! on a serious note at least we will all be able to sleep safe at night knowing gun crime will be a thing of the past 
Steve.D
on a serious note at least we will all be able to sleep safe at night knowing gun crime will be a thing of the past
Well obviously, the fact that even after banning automatics, semi-automatics and handguns serious gun crime continued to rise means that banning what are in effect toys guns is definately going to solve the issue well done our government 
I take it once you are on the list you will be removed every year if you don't keep up your club fees!
Free speech is expensive these days!
You are right Oddball - if you don't go to skirmishes then you don't qualify as a skirmisher so it looks like it will be a yearly application and regular skirmishing to retain status is needed.
I can't see why being a member of any particular club is needed, just that you have played at the site regularly. Of course, as Kermit says, the power lies with the pukka skirmish sites. If they say you must be a member and have played three games in not less than two months in order to be added to the database then that is what you will have to do!
Pete59 - spraying a coloured imitation firearm black turns it into a realistic imitation firearm. If the supplier sprayed it black he would be selling an RIF, if you did it it would be manufacturing. No let out there I'm afraid.
You are right Oddball - if you don't go to skirmishes then you don't qualify as a skirmisher so it looks like it will be a yearly application and regular skirmishing to retain status is needed.
I can't see why being a member of any particular club is needed, just that you have played at the site regularly. Of course, as Kermit says, the power lies with the pukka skirmish sites. If they say you must be a member and have played three games in not less than two months in order to be added to the database then that is what you will have to do!
Yep could be a small skip down the road to if you are not on Shindlers List your guns are expected to be returned to a dealer, but that could be the policy in 5 years time. Aren’t 5-year plans a wonderful thing! 
Also should the airsoft guns for sale be moved to a hidden area on this forum as it will be illegal to sell them on to each other, but we will still want and will do it?
So if it is visible to none members some reporter wanting to drag a story into the gutter will see the site and discredit us.
Free speech is expensive these days!
We have discussed the sales section policy. Airsoft guns sale (or any RIFs) even after 1st October is not illegal, provided the prescribed restrictions are adhered to.
Therefore it is incumbent on the seller to check that the buyer falls within these restrictions. All citizens must abide by laws of the country - it will be illegal to sell RIFs to under 18s and over 18s without specific defence.
Putting a sales section under a 'hidden' area is not only pointless it also smacks of concealment. There shouldn't be any illegal sales, full stop.
I can't see any legal reason why users of this forum can continue to post sales and wants, all CiA are doing is providing an advertising service - we have no involvement in sales at all. Sales of alcohol and tobacco have a parallel here - many legal restrictions on the sale but advertising the products isn't illegal at all (although restricted).
While there has been concern expressed within CIA, I (as the person legally responsible for the content of published work from this server) am taking the view that we will carry on as before unless something comes to light that persuades me otherwise.
I will however be posting a notice on that section to remind sellers of their legal obligations. It goes without saying that should anyone be investigated and prosecuted their use of the forum will instantly be stooped and will find themselves persona non grata on this forum.
